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November 19, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed

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All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen ^Talk 18:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Idiotchalk (talk · contribs) 22:27, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll begin reviewing this article tonight and have a review completed over the next three days. --Idiotchalk _(t@lk) 22:27, 17 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Check list

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

GA comments

Background and recording

"After the success of Dig Me Out and its predecessor…" — it would be useful to add what its predecessor was.

Done.

"That meant that Tucker and Brownstein would work … recorded all their albums." — this could be phrased better.

Fixed, I think.

"That meant" is the main issue, perhaps something along the lines of "This marked a change from regular producer John Goodmanson…"? --Idiotchalk _(t@lk)

Sounds really good! I've also replaced the word "produced" with the word "recorded" to avoid repetition. --Niwi3 (talk) 20:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Music and lyrics

"As Rolling Stone put it…" — this should be rephrased to something such as "As Rolling Stone stated" or "As Rolling Stone noted".

Done.

"The album features a lot of vocal … highly atmospheric songs such as…" — again, this should be rephrased as it reads like music journalism.

You have made some copy-edits here, and I replaced the word "highly" with the word "very". If it still needs more work, please let me know. --Niwi3 (talk) 14:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. --Idiotchalk _(t@lk)

Release

The "and more" in the touring sentence should be removed and the latter part of the sentence rephrased to something like "sharing stages with various bands including Sonic Youth, Guided by Voices, Bratmobile and Superchunk."

Done.

References

All references need publishers, e.g. All Media Network for AllMusic, The Onion for The A.V. Club, Voice Media Group for The Village Voice.

Done.

The formatting of the authors' names should be consistent, e.g. Richard Martin should be Martin, Richard; Robert Christgau should be Christgau, Robert.

Fixed.

Several references are used unnecessarily, e.g. the first paragraph of Background and recording should just have the reference at the end of the paragraph, the jewelery heist/impact of technology reference in Music and lyrics and the AllMusic reference in Critical reception.

Removed redundant refs.

Reference 4 should use {{Cite AV media notes}} and list the album's catalogue ID.

Fixed.

Other comments

It would be useful to add alt text for the album cover in the infobox.

Done.

The album's two singles should be added to the infobox using the singles template.

Done.

Shouldn't Seth Warren be listed in Personnel, as he's mentioned in the prose?

Good catch. And he is actually credited in the album's liner notes. --Niwi3 (talk) 14:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A subsection for the album's chart positions should be added after Personnel.

I don't agree. I don't think it's really necessary to create an entire section just for two chart positions. If the album charted in numerous territories, then it would probably be useful to have a new section, but this is not the case. Besides, the release section already includes the two chart positions, so it would be redundant to detail them again. --Niwi3 (talk) 14:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point, just double checked WP:ALBUMS's guidelines and you're right. --Idiotchalk _(t@lk)

Overall comments

A fairly solid article overall but the above points will need to be addressed before it meets GAC—nothing too major, mostly some prose and reference issues. Once they're resolved, it definitely seems passable and I made some minor, mostly cosmetic fixes to quicken the process. Good work, hope I can pass this one soon. --Idiotchalk _(t@lk) 02:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review, much appreciated. I will fix the issues as soon as I can. --Niwi3 (talk) 10:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have addressed all the issues you have raised. If the article still needs more work, please let me know. Thank you. --Niwi3 (talk) 14:04, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, just a small fix to one bit of prose in Background and recording (see above) and it's all set. Great work on all the other Sleater-Kinney articles too! --Idiotchalk _(t@lk) 19:02, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I'm just trying to do some justice to this amazing band :) --Niwi3 (talk) 20:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pass All looks up to scratch, happy to pass! --Idiotchalk _(t@lk) 21:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in The Hot Rock (album)

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of The Hot Rock (album)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Pitchfork review":

From I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One: Jason Josephes. "I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One". Pitchfork Media. Archived from the original on 2000-08-16. Retrieved 2000-08-16. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
From All Hands on the Bad One: Brent DiCrescenzo (2000-04-30). "All Hands On The Bad One". Pitchfork Media. Archived from the original on 2013-06-10. Retrieved 2013-06-12. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
From One Beat: Rob Mitchum (2002-08-27). "One Beat". Pitchfork Media. Archived from the original on 2013-05-12. Retrieved 2013-11-27. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
From The Woods (album): Stephen M. Deusner (2005-05-24). "The Woods". Pitchfork Media. Archived from the original on 2013-05-12. Retrieved 2013-10-14. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:23, 24 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]